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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 5, 2007 22:25:03 GMT -5
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 6, 2007 2:58:18 GMT -5
FLAG OFFICERS Fleet Admiral -50,000 Admiral -40,000 Vice Admiral -30,000 Rear Admiral upper Grade -20,000 Rear Admiral lower Grade -10,000
UPPER LINE OFFICERS Commodore -8,000 Fleet Captain -7,000 Captain -5,000 Commander -2,000
MID LINE LINE OFFICERS Lt. Commander -1,000 Lt. -500
LOWER LINE OFFICERS Lt. (JG) -400 Ensign -350 Midshipmen -320
WARRENT OFFICERS Master Chief Warrent officer -290 Senior Chief Warrent officer -260 Chief Warrent officer -230 Warrent officer -200
NON-COMS Master Chief Petty officer -175 Senior Chief Petty officer -150 Chief Petty officer -120 Petty officer -75
ENLISTED Superior Crewmen -50 Crewmen -25 Apprentice Crewmen -0
If exepted these are the posts reqired for each rank. Also additional requirements go by the section your rank is in, rather then the rank itself. here is what i propose with the new ranks.
FLAG OFFICERS- You don't want to know what you have to do to get thess ranks...
UPPER LINE OFFICERS- (Captain, fleet captain, and Commodore are restricted to Karl and jades approvel) -Give thoughts and ideas on how to improve the board -Talk to the captains and admirals on a regular basis -Pass command test that will be given by a captain or higher -show yourself to be skilled in rping -Contribute to mission board on a regular basis -Make friendships in the crew -Interact with Senior officers -make atleast 14 posts per week -Make friendships and interactions with the crew -Make posts that enhance and add to the story -Make posts that enhance your character -Be an active member for 24 weeks -Take stories in new directions not put forth by an admin
MID LINE LINE OFFICERS- -show yourself to be skilled in rping -Contribute to mission board on a regular basis -Make friendships in the crew -Interact with Senior officers -make atleast 10 posts per week -Make friendships and interactions with the crew -Make posts that enhance and add to the story -Make posts that enhance your character -Be an active member for 16 weeks -Take stories in new directions not put forth by an admin
LOWER LINE OFFICERS- -Pass officers exam -show yourself to be skilled in your field -Contribute to mission board on a regular basis -Make friendships in the crew -Interact with Senior officers -make atleast 9 posts per week -Make friendships and interactions with the crew -Make posts that enhance and add to the story -Make posts that enhance your character -Be an active member for 12 weeks
WARRENT OFFICERS- -Contribute to mission board on a regular basis -Make friendships in the crew -Interact with Senior officers -make atleast 7 posts per week -Make friendships and interactions with the crew -Make posts that enhance and add to the story -Make posts that enhance your character -Be an active member for 10 weeks
NON-COMS- -Contribute to mission board on a regular basis -Make friendships in the crew -Interact with Senior officers -Be an active member for 8 weeks -make atleast 4 posts per week
ENLISTED- -Contribute to mission board -make atleast 2 posts per week -Be an active member for 4 weeks
In addition i suggjest Jade be promoted to Commodore ASAP. because fleet captain is silly for someone whos holding that rank for a long time, and plus shes flying our bigest freaking ship...she should be realy high up. lol
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Post by Rory Jones on Jun 6, 2007 6:28:57 GMT -5
Nah, forget that man, shes not the leader of the entire fleet, shes the fleet commander, she commands the fleet, if she were given a flag rank now it would be pointless, she should keep the rank she has.
I love this rank system, btw, I think I will create an alter ego just to advance threw this system, he he he... or no wait, I wanted the Marine system, well, im sure they are seperate (are they seperate?)
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 6, 2007 15:55:27 GMT -5
Commodore in mine is not flag, its pre-flag
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 6, 2007 21:07:28 GMT -5
I made it Flag, as you can see. But all in all it is your rank set John. I didnt change mutch, and the tweeks I did do I'm sure you can forgive me for them.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 6, 2007 22:08:03 GMT -5
well i know it has the flag style pip, but its still not flag, its pre-falg. like lt (JG) to Lt. its notactualy flag. in my rank set its for fleet commanders (Who are always flag officers anyway so even if yall overide me and make it flag she should still have it)
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Post by Rory Jones on Jun 7, 2007 17:43:54 GMT -5
Well in my countries Navy, Commodore is not obsolete, and neither is it in the UK, New Zealand, Portugal, Croatia, Italy or Canada even, however like the US (which I suspect is what you are basing these ranks on) Singapore and South Africa have all a similar form to this lower-half and upper-half sort of system. I got all that information from. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_officer_ranksSo I can understand those now, I had previously been ignorant and assumed that you made them up, I was obviously mistaken, so if you want to include that rank in your system, it would appear that it would indeed be a 'non'-flag rank, as apposed to what everyone else (not in the US) is accustomed to, which is Commodore being a Flag rank. Anyway, up to you, just thought I'd add this in order to help your final choice John, as these are your ranks, but I guess ultimately the sites, so Jade/ Karl might want to use the UK version in favour of the US type system.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 7, 2007 19:24:36 GMT -5
but our army is biger, and uberer...lol j/k but it is the bigest. and you know what they say... biger is better....
sorry had to work that joke in there. anyways i put Commadore in there for jade actualy. I hate the rank fleet captain when used in the long term. or for a force commander. a fleet captain is a rank givein to captain commanding litle fleets. not the pride and joy of the freaking navy lol. also heres an age to rank thing for officers.
Fleet Admiral 70 (only one) Admiral 45-65 (youngest-oldest) Vice Admiral 43-63 (youngest-oldest) Rear Admiral upper Grade 40-60 (youngest-oldest) Rear Admiral lower Grade 40-60 (youngest-oldest) Commodore 38-55 (youngest-oldest) Fleet Captain 28-52 (youngest-oldest) Captain 28-50 (youngest-oldest) Commander 26-35 (youngest-oldest) Lt. Commander 24-30 (youngest-oldest) Lt. 22-24 (youngest-oldest) Lt. (JG) 20-23 (youngest-oldest) Ensign 19-22 (youngest-oldest) Midshipmen 18-21 (youngest-oldest) Cadet 16-18 (Always)
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Post by Rory Jones on Jun 8, 2007 2:22:52 GMT -5
Yeah, why not just ditch Fleet Captain altogether then? I mean I never really liked it as a rank, Commodore makes much more sense, just say she was one the entire time or something like that, it also gives her more of a gap on the other Captains in a way... *Looks at age/rank chart* hmm, that seems fairly accurate, although, you do realise that not all officers have to go threw Midshipmen, not that that says they do, just thought I'd mention that... *looks more* Yeah, yeah I like that, most of the officer ranks take atleast two years to advance in, which in war time is rational, three-four being the ordinary, yeah, good chart, you might also want to take into consideration the fact that both rear-admiral ranks have the same age bracket there, and that the minimum for Fleet Captain and Captain is the same.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 8, 2007 3:04:19 GMT -5
thats because jade is 28. thats the very youngest officer alive holding that rank, to the highest. And in my rank system everybody gos through midshipmen. also even though its war time i still stand by my stance that yall should be alot older. if mankind was as close as this to destruction we wouldinit last another 10 years, let alone hold the line against the cybers. And i think its funny how in every rp on the phoenix fleet everyone has the same story "I got through the ranks in record time" and we dont have a character over 30 in the fleet. exept for karls characters who are always realisticly aged for their ranks. I just feel that haveing the entire fleet being a bunch of 20-28 year old characters is unrealstic. thats for the star trek sites aswell. My main thing is that in rp everyone makes their characters near their age or just to young. i mean ensigns, ok, lt (JG) ok i can buy a 21 year old lt (JG) but come on... a 29 year old captain? and im sorry.. but a 28 year old in command of an entire fleet? even in the worst years of any nation i have ever heard of, captains were 40+ and admirals 50+ except in greece. but they just kicked ass. they didint have to be old to have the skills, they trained in their fields from the age of 7. So of course they could have young captains. But come on? did everyone join the fleet when they were 16 and gradutate in 2 years? and then start climbing the ranks like mad?
sorry for the rant, i just hate it when people make their characters so young. Rudger is my only young character and he has reason to be so high, he was trained from birth to be in starfleet, and his family has been flag officers in starfleet going back to its begining. and even before. so he has a good reason to be a lt. and only 24, he has 8 years of service. and now hes going to be a lt. cmdr. witch is alitle weird because hes like realy young for such a rank. but atleast hes not a captain at 29! *Glares at conor and nick* but jades dad was the hero of the human race and shes like rudger so she might have earned her rank.. but you other two should be changeing your age to like 35-40...
*Grumbles* ohh and my rant is done now so ummm.... *Runs away and hides with chainsaw assault rifle from GoW*
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 8, 2007 5:50:21 GMT -5
Your right. I think I'll change Alex's age.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 8, 2007 12:43:46 GMT -5
yay, lol. thank you. now... to work on conor... *evil smile*
lol
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 8, 2007 13:58:59 GMT -5
I think we should set a minimum cherecter age for each rank or every few ranks. EX: Fleet Admiral 70 Admiral 65 Vice Admiral 60 Rear Admiral upper Grade 56 Rear Admiral lower Grade 55 Commodore 51 Fleet Captain 39 Captain 34 Commander 29 Lt. Commander 25 Lt. 23 Lt. (JG) 22 Ensign 20 Midshipmen 19 Master Chief Warrent officer 19 Senior Chief Warrent officer 19 Chief Warrent officer 18 Warrent officer 18 Master Chief Petty officer 18 Senior Chief Petty officer 17 Chief Petty officer 17 Petty officer 17 Superior Crewmen 17 Crewmen 16 Apprentice Crewmen 16
Now offcaurse this is just an exsample, we can debat what age for what rank, but I was giving a idea. mayby some of them hould be higher. but I was thinking ppl would want to have a low age and a high rank plus it is a war so it harder to get older. so ppl get promoted and they dont know what ther doing.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 8, 2007 16:26:09 GMT -5
Fleet Admiral 70 Admiral 65 Vice Admiral 60 Rear Admiral upper Grade 56 Rear Admiral lower Grade 54 Commodore 45 Fleet Captain 39 Captain 34 Commander 29 Lt. Commander 25 Lt. 23 Lt. (JG) 22 Ensign 20 Midshipmen 19 Master Chief Warrent officer 36 Senior Chief Warrent officer 34 Chief Warrent officer 32 Warrent officer 30 Master Chief Petty officer 28 Senior Chief Petty officer 26 Chief Petty officer 24 Petty officer 22 Superior Crewmen 20 Crewmen 18 Apprentice Crewmen 16
is more realistic, imo.
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 8, 2007 16:53:36 GMT -5
Yeah, that onew is good. I was just thinking that dosent have to be that long to get throh the lower ranks
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