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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 14, 2007 17:10:43 GMT -5
ummm there would be no need for such a position, fighters are commanded by the ship they deploy from and take their orders from the captains of the fleet. The wing command takes the order and simply decides how to...say destroy an enemy defence station. but he would simply work with any other fighter groups. have a fleet fighter commander would be silly and un-needed and make each ships wing commanders feel useless, it would be bad for command moral.
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 14, 2007 17:23:48 GMT -5
I think that is a good Idea.
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Post by Byron Bladestorm on Jun 15, 2007 10:37:24 GMT -5
Yes I see You point Nick, but are You forgetting that Engineers also take there orders from the ships Commanding Officer too.
Yet they have a Fleet Position, so why can't the Fighters too?
I mean they fight just as hard as the rest, don't they deserve some representation in the Fleet other than the Commanding Officer of the ship they serve on?
An before You start saying it would make Wing Commanders feel useless, think again, as not having representation would make them feel unappreciated, which as You put it "it would be bad for command moral."
I mean if they are good enough to have there own rank system, titles and uniforms, they deserve to have representation in the Fleet.
Anyway, no offence meant here, but is the reason for You saying what You have, due to the fact Your a little jealous that all the Fleet positions come from the same ship?
As in the Chief Engineer of the Victory has more say in the Fleet than You, even though You are of a higher rank?
Seems to Me thats whats the driving force behind what You said.
And don't get Me wrong by thinking I'm having a dig at You for this, cause I'm not.
As if that is the reason, I completely understand, as I feel all ship Captain's should have a say in the Fleet, and that the main Fleet positions should be picked from the most experience people in the Fleet and not just off the one ship.
As that sort of shows favoritism and would make everyone want to serve on the Victory for a chance of getting a Fleet Position.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 15, 2007 14:17:04 GMT -5
ummm no that had nothing to do with my thing. I actualy see litle need for the "fleet" positions. the engineer and staff officer would both most likly be at a starbase and not on any of the ships in the fleet and the chief of fleet defence aswell. but even more then that i see need for those positions, but none for the fleet positon of a fighter commander. a fleet engineer is needed in order to keep tabs of the fleets repair, and make sure everything is taken care of quickly and by someone the fleets commander trusts. In addition theres nothing for a fleet wing commander to do, he would just be another wing command with a fancyer title, he wouldint need to do anything he couldint as a wing commander. IMO.
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 15, 2007 15:28:29 GMT -5
Hey Guys! Your arguing...again! Pleas stop! Look Byron thinks that it would be fair to have the 'pointless' title of Fleet Wing Commander. Is it a yes or a no. The answer should come from Karl Or Jade. John, stop nitpicking!
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 15, 2007 16:36:11 GMT -5
fine...
*pouts*
lol
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 15, 2007 16:40:09 GMT -5
<_< 'ey! carefull.
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Post by Byron Bladestorm on Jun 17, 2007 22:01:52 GMT -5
Hi Nick,
I've just read Your post and I do see Your point, but what You are not seeing is the actual Air Force position that it mirrors.
As in a Sector Commander or the overal Head of the Air Force where ever in the world they may be.
The whole point of a Fleet Fighter Commander to give it the title I would use unlike the one Alex said, whould be resposible for all actual Fighter stuff such as the placement of fighters on the different ships.
The overseeing of the building of the fighters, the repairs and spare parts needed for each Squadron/Wing abord each ship and so.
Plus they would be the Fighter Squadron/Wing Commanders voice in the Fleet, who could voice the changes and probles of the other Commanders.
I mean there needs to be one overal Fighter Commander, as like I said before, if they have their own Rank Structure, Titles and Uniforms, they deserve representation in the Fleet.
Ohterwise they may aswell use the Naval Rank Structure, Titles and Uniforms.
Atfter al I only made the suggestion for the different Rank Structure and Titles, I didn't expect it to be given the go ahead.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 17, 2007 22:10:19 GMT -5
Ya, but thats a position i think would be held by someone at a home base, not on the frontlines. and fighters get their orders from the captains of their ships, not someone far away, each captain deploys his smallcraft as he/she sees fit. And their ranks realy sound more like positions then ranks to me.
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Post by Byron Bladestorm on Jun 17, 2007 23:11:03 GMT -5
Yes I agree, but what about the Lt aboard the Victory who is the Fleet Head of Engineering?
You didn't say anything to oppose him, is there something about Me You don't like?
If so please tell Me now so we can put and end to this pettiness and we can both grow up and stop acting like kids.
As for the rank titles, the are the Official rank titles as used by the Royal Air Force which I suggested to Jade when I applied for the position I have.
You see unlike the Americans, we have different rank titles for each of our three forces, which upto the rank of Wing Commander like You pointed out are taken from the different positions within the Royal Air Force.
The ranks of Group Captain to Marshal of the Royal Air Force were add to match the titles of the Navy and Army.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 18, 2007 2:07:56 GMT -5
true but sence our navy ranks are based on my own design i think we should consider useing my system for the pilots and marrines. I would certainly make things easyer as far as compareing ranks. And why am I the only american on these sites? i feel so outnumbered.... I NEED MORE ASSHOLES FROM THE US ON MY SIDE!!!! its not fair...
lol, you guys might not get my humour, it takes awhile to learn it.
anyways i have no promlem with you. and i cant complain about the engineer because people might think its that i hate him. because i do, its a personal matter...
but i personaly think we shouldin't even have flag positions on any ship, they should be on a station.
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 18, 2007 6:07:57 GMT -5
Guys! Look it makes sence that ther should be a flet flight commander. Thers one for the marines , the XO and soforth.
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Post by Nickolas Seafort on Jun 18, 2007 15:12:28 GMT -5
hmmmmph. well i still dislike the idea of fleet officers on a ship, its unrealistic IMO. they would be on a base.
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Post by Alex Roddenberry on Jun 18, 2007 15:18:55 GMT -5
Thats true but we got'em
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Post by Byron Bladestorm on Jun 19, 2007 10:25:59 GMT -5
I agree with You Nick about there should be no Fleet positions on ship, as like You said they should be on a starbase somewhere all with Admiralty ranks.
Anyway an Lt is experienced in the ways of Command to hold the Fleet Engineers position.
As the position is a less active and more administrative one.
Hence the reason the job usually goes to someone of atleast the rank of Full Commander aka 3 gold pips in StarTrek, or a Master Chief Petty Officer aka 3 shevrons and 3 stars in StarTrek.
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